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leozhang 认为: |
2005-01-25 00:34 |
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支持
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fruit 认为: |
2005-01-25 01:49 |
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可以对照一下这个老贴 http://www.blizzardcn.com/bbs/index.php?prog=topic::flat&tid=497330
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-25 03:24 |
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根据楼主说的方法,我也自己去测试了一下,和楼主结论一样,但出现了新的问题。。。。
当我刚好用一个武器能ww到对手的时候,我换成普通攻击就怎么也打不着,(试过不下30次)
还有,我暂时人手不够,希望下次加上ww asn一起测试,bb能ww到敌人,马上换asn 试试。
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Bonjovi 认为: |
2005-01-25 12:25 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用leozhang于2005-01-25 00:34:59发表的 : 支持
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zephyr 认为: |
2005-01-25 12:31 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用Bonjovi于2005-01-25 12:25:03发表的 :
你 。。。。灌的话,也要有点内容吧?
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xintv 认为: |
2005-01-25 12:49 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用likecarman于2005-01-25 03:24:47发表的 : 根据楼主说的方法,我也自己去测试了一下,和楼主结论一样,但出现了新的问题。。。。
当我刚好用一个武器能ww到对手的时候,我换成普通攻击就怎么也打不着,(试过不下30次)
还有,我暂时人手不够,希望下次加上ww asn一起测试,bb能ww到敌人,马上换asn 试试。
大侠有心了
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-25 12:55 |
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HM.是有必要拨乱反正了,近期相关帖子不少。 至于SKILLS。TXT里不管他了,以实际为主。 下午回来做个测试。(FT。以前怎么都不做。。。)
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枫月 认为: |
2005-01-25 13:34 |
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kan lai ww hai shi cb hao
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-25 16:43 |
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这个严重支持。 顺便也拉ASN MM一把,把ASN WW一并测了好了。
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-25 16:44 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用深山老农于2005-01-25 12:55:38发表的 : HM.是有必要拨乱反正了,近期相关帖子不少。 至于SKILLS。TXT里不管他了,以实际为主。 下午回来做个测试。(FT。以前怎么都不做。。。)
就是,结果要我这个大懒人来做测试,kick pp~
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:04 |
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刚刚我测试了ww asn,
在bb用ba botd刚好能打到对手的时候(其实这个位置并不是100%能打中,机会40%吧),对手位置不变,换asn靠墙ww, 根本无1击中(100%不中)。。。。所以asn ww 的range一定没3
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:09 |
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40%?那真是很有趣呢,对象def足够低吗?如果是的话,你用剑试试,我用剑100%击中
哈哈,说不定能发现斧头和剑的区别
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:15 |
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恩,可能对手defen的问题, 还有个问题
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zephyr 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:18 |
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再用GS WW来看。
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:25 |
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恩,可能对手defen的问题, 还有个问题 当我刚好用ba botd能ww到对手的时候,我换成普通攻击就怎么也打不着,(已经试过n次!!)
这个是不是说明 ww range还有另外的算法?同1个wep., ww能触及到,普通攻击就不行,如果这个说法成立,是不是有可能出现pb grief ww range > pb grief smite range的结论:)
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-25 18:44 |
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没有另外的算法,注意我的帖子里从没说ww range=武器 range,事实上,根据老贴,ww的range=武器range+1,不知道这是不是能解释你的疑问?
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longbowv 认为: |
2005-01-25 20:08 |
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看来没用pb做grief给bar是对的
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beats 认为: |
2005-01-25 21:29 |
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同上
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 12:49 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用kamiyeye于2005-01-25 18:44:19发表的 : 没有另外的算法,注意我的帖子里从没说ww range=武器 range,事实上,根据老贴,ww的range=武器range+1,不知道这是不是能解释你的疑问?
QUOTE: 下面是引用likecarman于2005-01-25 18:25:54发表的 : 恩,可能对手defen的问题, 还有个问题 当我刚好用ba botd能ww到对手的时候,我换成普通攻击就怎么也打不着,(已经试过n次!!)
这个是不是说明 ww range还有另外的算法?同1个wep., ww能触及到,普通攻击就不行,如果这个说法成立,是不是有可能出现pb grief ww range > pb grief smite range的结论:)
对于LIKECARMAN提到的普通攻击,和KAMIYEYE谈到的WW RANGE=WEAPON RANGE+1。原先的帖子有过些定论,。不妨参考。实际上我们做学问的时候能多参考下前人的经验,自可少走些弯路。 下面的是老帮猪的论帖:
QUOTE: 公式: AttRange=(AttackerSize-1)+TargetSize-1)+RangeAdder
說明: AttRange = 實際攻擊range AttackerSize = 攻擊者 size TargetSize = 被攻擊者size RangeAdder = 攻擊偏移量 (指來自mpq 的武器rangeadder ,请见下资料)
各种char 作为 player 的 Size = 2
各种不同的怪物的 Size 分为 1 ,2 ,3 三种,这里将不再给出Monster 的Size 资料。
很多玩家可能不能理解 下面给一个例子:
cb ,从下表 查出 RangeAdder =2 pvp中, 受攻击者的 size = 2 那么 攻击范围 AttRange = 2-1 + 2-1 + 2 = 4 也就是说 ,当char 使用 cb 的时候,他的攻击范围 为 4
这个攻击范围是 从 攻击者的中心 到 被攻击者的中心范围 而我们 通常说的 range 是指 自己能够打到谁
所以 转换成 通常的 我们说的 range 那么 还要减去 被攻击者的 手臂距离。
4 -1 = 3 ,符合 我们的常识。
pvp : 总结: RangeAdder + 1 就是你的range
QUOTE: 名称)name_______(名称)chinese________(类型)type___(Range修正量)rangeadder___(武器基础速度)speed Hand Axe______________手斧__________________axe_________________0_________________(0) Axe___________________斧____________________axe_________________1_________________(10) Double Axe____________双刃斧________________axe_________________1_________________(10) Military Pick_________军用锹________________axe_________________1_________________(_10) War Axe_______________巨战斧________________axe_________________2_________________(0) Large Axe_____________巨斧__________________axe_________________1_________________(_10) Broad Axe ____________阔斧__________________axe_________________1_________________(0) Battle Axe____________战斗斧________________axe_________________1_________________(10) Great Axe_____________卓越之斧______________axe_________________2_________________(_10) Giant Axe_____________大斧__________________axe_________________3_________________(10) Wand__________________法杖__________________wand________________0_________________(0) Yew Wand______________紫杉之杖______________wand________________0_________________(10) Bone Wand_____________骨杖__________________wand________________0_________________(_20) Grim Wand_____________残酷之杖______________wand________________0_________________(0) Club__________________木棒__________________club________________0_________________(_10) Scepter_______________权杖__________________scep________________0_________________(0) Grand Scepter_________雄伟权杖______________scep________________1_________________(10) War Scepter___________巨战权杖______________scep________________1_________________(_10) Spiked Club___________狼牙棒________________club________________1_________________(0) Mace__________________钉头锤________________mace________________0_________________(0) Morning Star__________流星锤________________mace________________1_________________(10) Flail_________________链枷__________________mace________________2_________________(_10) War Hammer____________巨战铁槌______________hamm________________0_________________(20) Maul__________________大木棍________________hamm________________1_________________(10) Great Maul____________卓越巨棍______________hamm________________2_________________(20) Short Sword___________短剑__________________swor________________0_________________(0) Scimitar______________弯刀__________________swor________________0_________________(_20) Saber_________________军刀__________________swor________________0_________________(_10) Falchion______________弯形大刀______________swor________________0_________________(20 Crystal Sword_________水晶剑________________swor________________1_________________(0) Broad Sword___________阔剑__________________swor________________0_________________(0) Long Sword ___________长剑__________________swor________________1_________________(_10) War Sword_____________巨战之剑______________swor________________1_________________(0) Two_Handed Sword______双手剑________________swor________________2_________________(0) Claymore______________双刃大刀______________swor________________2_________________(10) Giant Sword___________大剑__________________swor________________2_________________(0) Bastard Sword_________巨剑__________________swor________________1_________________(10) Flamberge_____________双手饰剑______________swor________________2_________________(_10) Great Sword___________卓越之剑______________swor________________2_________________(10) Dagger________________匕首__________________knif________________0_________________(_20) Dirk__________________长匕首________________knif________________0_________________(0) Kriss_________________波形刀________________knif________________0_________________(_20) Blade_________________短刀__________________knif________________0_________________(_10) Throwing Knife________飞刀__________________tkni________________0_________________(0) Throwing Axe__________飞斧__________________taxe________________0_________________(10) Balanced Knife________平衡小刀______________tkni________________0_________________(_20) Balanced Axe__________平衡斧________________taxe________________0_________________(_10) Javelin_______________标枪__________________jave________________2_________________(_10) Pilum_________________短标枪________________jave________________2_________________(0) Short Spear___________短矛__________________jave________________2_________________(10) Glaive________________大长刀________________jave________________2_________________(20) Throwing Spear________飞矛__________________jave________________2_________________(_10) Spear_________________长矛__________________spea________________3_________________(_10) Trident_______________三叉戟________________spea________________3_________________(0) Brandistock___________叉____________________spea________________4_________________(_20) Spetum________________大战戟________________spea________________4_________________(0) Pike__________________矛____________________spea________________4_________________(20) Bardiche______________大砍刀________________pole________________2_________________(10) Voulge________________钩镰枪________________pole________________2_________________(0) Scythe________________镰刀__________________pole________________1_________________(_10) Poleaxe_______________长柄战斧______________pole________________3_________________(10) Halberd_______________长戟__________________pole________________4_________________(0) War Scythe____________巨战镰刀______________pole________________4_________________(_10) Short Staff___________短棍__________________staf________________1_________________(_10) Long Staff____________长棍__________________staf________________1_________________(0) Gnarled Staff_________多节棍________________staf________________1_________________(10) Battle Staff__________战斗法杖______________staf________________1_________________(0) War Staff_____________巨战法杖______________staf________________1_________________(20) Short Bow_____________短弓__________________bow_________________0_________________(5) Hunter's Bow__________猎弓__________________bow_________________0_________________(_10) Long Bow______________长弓__________________bow_________________0_________________(0) Composite Bow_________组合弓________________bow_________________0_________________(_10) Short Battle Bow______短战斗弓______________bow_________________0_________________(0) Long Battle Bow_______长战斗弓______________bow_________________0_________________(10) Short War Bow_________短巨战弓______________bow_________________0_________________(0) Long War Bow__________长巨战弓______________bow_________________0_________________(10) Light Cros**ow________轻十字弓______________xbow________________0_________________(_10) Cros**ow______________十字弓________________xbow________________0_________________(0) Heavy Cros**ow________重十字弓______________xbow________________0_________________(10) Repeating Cros**ow____连射十字弓____________xbow________________0_________________(_40) Hatchet________________小斧_________________axe_________________0_________________(0) Cleaver________________切肉斧_______________axe_________________1_________________(10) Twin Axe_______________强化双斧_____________axe_________________1_________________(10) Crowbill_______________喙钳_________________axe_________________1_________________(_10) Naga___________________纳卡_________________axe_________________2_________________(0) Military Axe___________军斧_________________axe_________________1_________________(_10) Bearded Axe ___________钩斧_________________axe_________________1_________________(0) Tabar__________________战斗斧_______________axe_________________1_________________(10) Gothic Axe_____________哥德之斧_____________axe_________________2_________________(_10) Ancient Axe____________古代之斧_____________axe_________________3_________________(10) Burnt Wand_____________烧焦之杖_____________wand________________0_________________(0) Petrified Wand_________净化之杖_____________wand________________0_________________(10) Tomb Wand______________古墓之杖_____________wand________________0_________________(_20) Grave Wand_____________墓地之杖_____________wand________________0_________________(0) Cudgel_________________棍棒_________________club________________0_________________(_10) Rune Scepter___________符文权杖_____________scep________________0_________________(0) Holy Water Sprinkler___圣水喷杖_____________scep________________1_________________(10) Divine Scepter_________神属权杖_____________scep________________1_________________(_10) Barbed Club____________倒钩槌_______________club________________1_________________(0) Flanged Mace___________凸缘钉头锤___________mace________________0_________________(0) Jagged Star____________锯齿流星锤___________mace________________1_________________(10) Knout__________________铁皮鞭_______________mace________________2_________________(_10) Battle Hammer__________战斗铁槌_____________hamm________________0_________________(20) War Club_______________巨战木棍_____________hamm________________1_________________(10) Martel de Fer__________战槌_________________hamm________________2_________________(20) Gladius________________罗马短剑_____________swor________________0_________________(0) Cutlass________________微弯剑_______________swor________________0_________________(_30) Shamshir_______________虚伪之刃_____________swor________________0_________________(_10) Tulwar_________________圆月弯刀_____________swor________________0_________________(20) Dimensional Blade______空间之刃_____________swor________________1_________________(0) Battle Sword___________战斗剑_______________swor________________0_________________(0) Rune Sword_____________符文剑_______________swor________________1_________________(_10) Ancient Sword__________古代之剑_____________swor________________1_________________(0) Espadon________________斩铁剑_______________swor________________2_________________(0) Dacian Falx____________双刃大刀_____________swor________________2_________________(10) Tusk Sword_____________长牙剑_______________swor________________2_________________(0) Gothic Sword___________哥德剑_______________swor________________1_________________(10) Zweihander_____________瑞韩德之剑___________swor________________2_________________(_10) Executioner Sword______死刑之剑_____________swor________________2_________________(10) Poignard_______________锐匕_________________knif________________0_________________(_20) Rondel_________________诗歌匕首_____________knif________________0_________________(0) Cinquedeas_____________强波刀_______________knif________________0_________________(_20) Stilleto_______________小剑_________________knif________________0_________________(_10) Battle Dart____________战斗飞镖_____________tkni________________0__________________(0) Francisca______________法兰飞斧_____________taxe________________0_________________(10) War Dart_______________巨战飞镖_____________tkni________________0_________________(_20) Hurlbat________________短战戟_______________taxe________________0_________________(_10) War Javelin____________巨战标枪_____________jave________________2_________________(_10) Great Pilum____________卓越标枪_____________jave________________2_________________(0) Simbilan_______________锐矛_________________jave________________2_________________(10) Spiculum_______________阔针长矛_____________jave________________2_________________(20)
QUOTE: Harpoon________________鱼叉_________________jave________________2_________________(_10) War Spear______________巨战长矛_____________spea________________3_________________(_10) Fuscina________________魔鬼之叉_____________spea________________3_________________(0) War Fork_______________巨战之叉_____________spea________________4_________________(_20) Yari___________________三叉长枪_____________spea________________4_________________(0) Lance__________________长枪_________________spea________________4_________________(20) Lochaber Axe___________罗佳伯斧_____________pole________________2_________________(10) Bill___________________比尔长刀_____________pole________________2_________________(0) Battle Scythe__________战斗镰刀_____________pole________________1_________________(_10) Partizan_______________战戟_________________pole________________3_________________(10) Bec_de_Corbin__________双锋战戟_____________pole________________4_________________(0) Grim Scythe____________残酷镰刀_____________pole________________4_________________(_10) Jo Staff_______________乔木棒_______________staf________________1_________________(_10) Quarterstaff___________六尺棍_______________staf________________1_________________(0) Cedar Staff____________杉木之棍_____________staf________________1_________________(10) Gothic Staff___________哥德之棍_____________staf________________1_________________(0) Rune Staff_____________符文之棍_____________staf________________1_________________(20) Edge Bow_______________锋锐之弓_____________bow_________________0_________________(5) Razor Bow______________剃刀之弓_____________bow_________________0_________________(_10) Cedar Bow______________杉木弓_______________bow_________________0_________________(0) Double Bow_____________双弓_________________bow_________________0_________________(_10) Short Siege Bow________短攻城弓_____________bow_________________0_________________(0) Long Siege Bow_________长攻城弓_____________bow_________________0_________________(10) Rune Bow_______________符文之弓_____________bow_________________0_________________(0) Gothic Bow_____________哥德弓_______________bow_________________0_________________(10) Arbalest_______________石弓_________________xbow________________0_________________(_10) Siege Cros**ow_________攻城十字弓___________xbow________________0__________________(0) Balista________________弩弓_________________xbow________________0_________________(10) Chu_Ko_Nu______________巧工弩_______________xbow________________0_________________(_60) Katar__________________拳剑_________________h2h_________________1_________________(_10) Wrist Blade____________腕刀_________________h2h_________________1_________________(0) Hatchet Hands__________斧手_________________h2h_________________1_________________(10) Cestus_________________腰刀_________________h2h_________________1_________________(0) Claws__________________爪___________________h2h_________________1_________________(_10) Blade Talons___________刃爪_________________h2h_________________1_________________(_20) Scissors Katar_________剪咬刀_______________h2h_________________1_________________(_10) Quhab__________________格斗刃_______________h2h_________________1_________________(0) Wrist Spike____________腕刺_________________h2h_________________1_________________(_10) Fascia_________________格斗爪_______________h2h_________________1_________________(10) Hand Scythe____________手镰 ________________h2h2________________1_________________(_10) Greater Claws__________巨爪_________________h2h2________________1_________________(_20) Greater Talons_________巨鹰爪_______________h2h2________________1_________________(_30) Scissors Quhab_________格斗剪_______________h2h2________________1_________________(0) Suwayyah_______________近身刃_______________h2h2________________1_________________(0) Wrist Sword____________腕剑_________________h2h2________________1_________________(_10) War Fist_______________战拳_________________h2h2________________1_________________(10) Battle Cestus__________斗腰刀_______________h2h2________________1_________________(_10) Feral Claws____________猛禽爪_______________h2h2________________1_________________(_20) Runic Talons___________符纹爪_______________h2h2________________1_________________(_30) Scissors Suwayyah______近身剪_______________h2h2________________1_________________(0) Tomahawk_______________战铖_________________axe_________________0_________________(0) Small Crescent_________弯月斧_______________axe_________________1_________________(10) Ettin Axe______________双头斧_______________axe_________________1_________________(10) War Spike______________战刺_________________axe_________________1_________________(_10) Berserker Axe__________狂战士斧_____________axe_________________2__________________(0) Feral Axe______________猛禽斧 ______________axe_________________2__________________(_15) Silver Edged Axe_______银刃斧_______________axe_________________2_________________(0) Decapitator____________斩首斧_______________axe_________________2_________________(10) Champion Axe___________豪杰斧_______________axe_________________2_________________(_10) Glorious Axe___________荣光之斧 ____________axe_________________3_________________(10) Polished Wand__________洗练法杖_____________wand________________0_________________(0) Ghost Wand_____________鬼魂之杖_____________wand________________0_________________(10) Lich Wand______________巫妖法杖_____________wand________________0_________________(_20) Unearthed Wand_________破隐法杖_____________wand________________0_________________(0) Truncheon______________战仪杖_______________club________________0_________________(_10) Mighty Scepter_________强威权杖_____________scep________________0_________________(0) Seraph Rod_____________炽天使法杖___________scep________________1_________________(10) Caduceus_______________神使之杖_____________scep________________1_________________(_10) Tyrant Club____________暴君之棒_____________club________________1_________________(0) Reinforced Mace________强化钉头锤___________mace________________0_________________(0) Devil Star_____________恶魔流星锤___________mace________________1_________________(10) Scourge________________天罚之锤_____________mace________________2_________________(_10) Legendary Mallet_______传说之锤_____________hamm________________1_________________(20) Ogre Maul______________食人魔之锤___________hamm________________1_________________(10) Thunder Maul___________雷锤_________________hamm________________2_________________(20) Falcata________________短剑_________________swor________________0_________________(0) Ataghan________________土耳其剑_____________swor________________0_________________(_20) Elegant Blade__________优雅之剑_____________swor________________0_________________(_10) Hydra Edge_____________九头蛇刃_____________swor________________0_________________(10) Phase Blade____________幻化之刃_____________swor________________1_________________(_30) Conquest Sword_________征服之剑_____________swor________________0_________________(0) Cryptic Sword__________神秘之剑_____________swor________________1_________________(_10) Mythical Sword_________秘仪之剑_____________swor________________1_________________(0) Legend Sword___________传说之剑_____________swor________________2_________________(_15) Highland Blade_________高地之剑_____________swor________________2_________________(_5) Balrog Blade___________炎魔之刃_____________swor________________2_________________(0) Champion Sword_________冠军之剑_____________swor________________2_________________(_10) Colossal Sword_________巨神之剑_____________swor________________2_________________(10) Colossus Blade_________巨神之刃 ____________swor________________2_________________(5) Bone Knife_____________骸骨小刀_____________knif________________0_________________(_20) Mithral Point__________秘银小刀_____________knif________________0_________________(0) Fanged Knife___________齿缘小刀_____________knif________________0_________________(_20) Legend Spike___________传说尖刺_____________knif________________0_________________(_10) Flying Knife___________飞刀_________________tkni________________0_________________(0) Flying Axe_____________飞斧_________________taxe________________0_________________(10) Winged Knife___________翼刀_________________tkni________________0_________________(_20) Winged Axe_____________翼斧_________________taxe________________0_________________(_10) Hyperion Javelin_______亥伯龙之枪___________jave________________2__________________(_10) Stygian Pilum__________冥河标枪_____________jave________________2__________________(0) Balrog Spear___________炎魔长矛_____________jave________________2_________________(10) Ghost Glaive___________鬼魂尖枪_____________jave________________2_________________(20) Winged Harpoon_________翼鱼叉_______________jave________________2_________________(_10) Hyperion Spear_________亥伯龙之矛___________spea________________3_________________(_10) Stygian Pike___________冥河之枪_____________spea________________3_________________(0) Mancatcher_____________刺人枪_______________spea________________4_________________(_20) Ghost Spear____________鬼魂之矛_____________spea________________4_________________(0) War Pike_______________战枪_________________spea________________4_________________(20) Ogre Axe_______________食人魔之斧___________pole________________2_________________(0) Colossus Voulge________巨神之斧_____________pole________________2_________________(10) Thresher_______________锐利之斧_____________pole________________1_________________(_10) Cryptic Axe____________神秘之斧_____________pole________________3_________________(10) Great Poleaxe__________巨长斧_______________pole________________4_________________(0) Giant Thresher_________鲛尾巨斧_____________pole________________4_________________(_10) Walking Stick__________手杖_________________staf________________1_________________(_10) Stalagmite_____________钟乳石之杖___________staf________________1__________________(10) Elder Staff____________长老之杖_____________staf________________1__________________(0) Shillelah______________树皮之杖_____________staf________________1__________________(0) Archon Staff___________执政官之杖___________staf________________1__________________(10) Spider Bow_____________蜘蛛弓_______________bow_________________0__________________(5) Blade Bow______________刀锋弓_______________bow_________________0__________________(_10) Shadow Bow_____________阴影弓_______________bow_________________0__________________(0) Great Bow______________巨弓_________________bow_________________0__________________(_10) Diamond Bow____________钻石弓_______________bow_________________0__________________(0) Crusader Bow___________十字军之弓___________bow_________________0__________________(10) Ward Bow_______________庇护之弓_____________bow_________________0__________________(0) Hydra Bow______________九头蛇弓_____________bow_________________0__________________(10) Pellet Bow_____________弹丸弓_______________xbow________________0_________________(_10) Gorgon Cros**ow________蛇魔女十字弓_________xbow________________0__________________(0) Colossus Cros**ow______巨神十字弓___________xbow________________0__________________(10) Demon Cros**ow_________恶魔十字弓___________xbow________________0__________________(_60) Eagle Orb______________鹰之法珠_____________orb_________________0__________________(_10) Sacred Globe___________神圣天球_____________orb_________________0__________________(_10) Smoked Sphere__________撒烟之球_____________orb_________________0__________________(0) Clasped Orb____________握扣法珠_____________orb_________________0__________________(0) Dragon Stone___________杰瑞德之石___________orb_________________0__________________(10) Stag Bow_______________男性之弓_____________abow________________0__________________(0) Reflex Bow_____________反射之弓_____________abow________________0__________________(10) Maiden Spear___________女士之矛_____________aspe________________4__________________(0) Maiden Pike____________女士长矛_____________aspe________________4__________________(10) Maiden Javelin_________女士标枪_____________ajav________________2__________________(_10) Glowing Orb____________灵光法珠_____________orb_________________0__________________(_10) Crystalline Globe______水晶天球_____________orb_________________0__________________(_10) Cloudy Sphere__________云雾之球_____________orb_________________0__________________(0) Sparkling Ball_________闪耀之珠_____________orb_________________0__________________(0) Swirling Crystal_______涡流水晶_____________orb_________________0_________________(10) Ashwood Bow____________灰木之弓_____________abow________________0_________________(0) Ceremonial Bow_________祭典之弓_____________abow________________0_________________(10) Ceremonial Spear_______祭典之矛_____________aspe________________4_________________(0) Ceremonial Pike________祭典长矛_____________aspe________________4_________________(20) Ceremonial Javelin_____祭典标枪_____________ajav________________2_________________(_10) Heavenly Stone_________天堂之石_____________orb_________________0_________________(_10) Eldritch Orb___________怪异之球_____________orb_________________0_________________(_10) Demon Heart____________恶魔之心_____________orb_________________0_________________(0) Vortex Orb_____________漩涡球_______________orb_________________0_________________(0) Dimensional Shard______次元碎片_____________orb_________________0_________________(10) Matriarchal Bow________女族长之弓___________abow________________0_________________(_10) Grand Matron Bow_______女族长之弓___________abow________________0_________________(10) Matriarchal Spear______女族长之矛___________aspe________________4_________________(0) Matriarchal Pike_______女族长之长矛_________aspe________________4_________________(20) MatriarchalJavelin_____女族长之标枪_________ajav________________2_________________(_10)
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 12:58 |
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Phase Blade____________幻化之刃_____________swor________________1_________________(_30) Colossus Blade_________巨神之刃 ____________swor________________2_________________(5) Ghost Spear____________鬼魂之矛_____________spea________________4_________________(0)
由上面的公式得知: PB攻击RANGE为: 实际AttRange=(AttackerSize-1)+TargetSize-1)+RangeAdder-手臂距离 =2-1+2-1+1-1 =3-1 =2 CB=2-1+2-1+2-1 =3 GS=2-1+2-1+4-1 =5
一切迷题都揭开了! 知道我们作题的时候老大们为什么不出声了吧!!! 当时被蒙在鼓里的是偶们哈哈哈。 大伙们接着努力啊,我现在可是汗颜的很 
[ 此贴被深山老农在2005-01-26 13:06重新编辑 ]
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枫月 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:08 |
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楼主怎么不拿cb那类4的单手武器试试 还有ba 难道ba和pb范围一样?
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:08 |
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还要减去手臂距离啊,那likecar为什么用普通攻击打不中?
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:09 |
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有些问题。 在DO IT之前为什么不去汲取下前人留下的技术/科研成果,让偶们尽可能的完成这方面的资源积累捏? 最后呼吁下:至顶FAQ。精华帖很重要。不论考古还是探究,请第1时间参考。会省不少力气呵呵
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:11 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用枫月于2005-01-26 13:08:19发表的 : 楼主怎么不拿cb那类4的单手武器试试 还有ba 难道ba和pb范围一样?
cb和ba的range=3
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:13 |
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为什么要减去所谓的手臂距离(注意,手臂距离实际分攻击者和被攻击者,这里只减去1次)? 我是这样理解的: 攻击者RANGEADD为2,攻击时从自己攻击中心(包括了手臂和所拿武器)向对方攻击,判定击中是以对方身体为攻击中心,自然不包括对方武器及手臂距离。
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枫月 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:17 |
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pb和ba=2? cb=3?=4? 最想知道cb
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:17 |
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LIKECARMAN所提到WW能攻击到目标,但换普通攻击则不行我想这是测试时的精准问题。 不可能RANGE为3的BA使用WW能攻击到对方而换普通攻击反而打不到。
BA=2-1+2-1+2-1=3。符合资料里RANGE为3。 Berserker Axe 24 to 71 (47.5 Avg) 64 138 59 3 26 6 [0] Ama, Asn, B, D, N, P - Fast S - Normal
上面几个列表是表达物品的RANGEADD。 大多数CHM或者资料引用的是武器的实际RANGE。
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:20 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用枫月于2005-01-26 13:17:07发表的 :pb和ba=2? cb=3?=4? 最想知道cb 
CB的RANGEADDER=2。 计算攻击实际RANGE=(AttackerSize-1)+TargetSize-1)+RangeAdder-1 =2-1+2-1+2-1=3
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枫月 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:22 |
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以为cd能到4呢 无论如何还是cb看着舒服 至少看起来象打得最远的 不过要 40ias
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:29 |
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我想还有的问题就是kamiyeye在开始提到 【测试结论】“3>2=1”,即武器range=3的ww range大于武器range=2的,武器range=2的ww range等于武器range=1的
用不那么精确但通俗的话来说:WW最小range=2!!
这样,我们再重新审视一番: 取一个武器RANGE为1的,比如 Hand Axe______________手斧__________________axe_________________0_________________(0) 他的RANGEADDER为0 那么,实际RANGE为=AttackerSize-1)+TargetSize-1)+RangeAdder-1 =2-1+2-1+0-1=1 RANGE为2的,比如War Spike 30 to 48 (39 Avg) 59 133 54 2(RANGE) 26 6 他的RANGEADD为War Spike______________战刺_________________axe_________________1_________________(_10)
那么,实际RANGE为=(AttackerSize-1)+TargetSize-1)+RangeAdder-1 =2-1+2-1+1-1=2
完全符合现有资料对武器RANGE的描述。 也就是说。攻击距离为武器的实际RANGE。 WW RANGE》=3理论被推翻。以实际RANGE为准。 另外1=2这个结论是由于2者之间的距离差非常的小,接近不明显。造成了kamiyeye 3>2=1的另一结论。
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枫月 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:51 |
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完全符合现有资料对武器RANGE的描述。 也就是说。攻击距离为武器的实际RANGE。
那cb应该是4
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-26 13:58 |
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注:我这里说的range都是指攻击范围
大米那个帖子很老了,很久以前就看过,实际上,现有资料的weapon range就是按该公式计算的,所以直接用现有的资料就可以。 当时所有攻击是一视同仁的,也就是说在ww最小range说法出来之前,ww range=weapon range是被认可的。后来同样是大米,有牛人说ww最小range=3引起争议,那老贴我前阵子去找怎么都找不到,只在impk找到一篇该说法的测试贴。 不管争论结果如何,受该说法影响的人群逐渐扩大,直接的认为使用range<3的武器ww和使用range=3的武器ww范围是一样的。特别是new runeword出来后,Grief的材料讨论使这种说法再次出现,现在用pb做grief的大有人在,既然有争议,拨乱反正无疑是必要的,这也是做这个测试的初衷。 姑且不论争议,按老贴的说法ww range=weapon range,那么应该1是1,2是2,而测试结果发现1和2无法区分,一种可能是1和2之间的差别细微到无法在实战中区分,但问题是为什么2和3同样相差1却能明显区分?另一种可能是1和2的ww range就是一样的。不管是那一种可能,理论是为实战服务的,对实战来说都是一样,这是我为什么在结论里把1和2划上等号的原因。 手持双手武器的ww range,实际上无论是老贴还是后来的ww最小range说法的观点都是一致的,即4就是4,5就是5,为了完整性,还是做了下测试,确实如此。
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-26 14:05 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用枫月于2005-01-26 13:51:53发表的 : 完全符合现有资料对武器RANGE的描述。 也就是说。攻击距离为武器的实际RANGE。
那cb应该是4
直接用现有资料没错的
当然按公式计算也可以,CB的rangeadder=2 CB Range=(2-1)+(2-1)+2-1=3
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-26 14:42 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用深山老农于2005-01-26 13:17:52发表的 : LIKECARMAN所提到WW能攻击到目标,但换普通攻击则不行我想这是测试时的精准问题。 不可能RANGE为3的BA使用WW能攻击到对方而换普通攻击反而打不到。
BA=2-1+2-1+2-1=3。符合资料里RANGE为3。 Berserker Axe 24 to 71 (47.5 Avg) 64 138 59 3 26 6 [0] Ama, Asn, B, D, N, P - Fast S - Normal
上面几个列表是表达物品的RANGEADD。 大多数CHM或者资料引用的是武器的实际RANGE。
对于那个ww能击中,普通攻击不能击中的测试,我100% sure不是什么精准问题,因为,我用ba ww 击中后,换普通攻击,绝对100%不中,然后不动马上换上range=4的长矛。普通攻击,次次击中,明显感觉是 ba range不够长的原因,但ba ww又能中。
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-26 14:48 |
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现在我倒是很赞同,ww range = wep range +1 这个说法,因为在实际的pk 中,我不止10次的找到过,pb grief smite 打不到我,pb grief ww能打到 pla 那个距离,常常逼迫pal 移动位置。
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-26 16:05 |
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likecarman,你说的情况可能是这样。
假设A在X点击中B,如果要实现你所说的测试,那么必须精确保证A停留在X点,或者精确保证ww落点在X点才能做到。
但是在实际中,靠眼睛是无法确定X点的,虽然有可能落点恰恰在X点,但这样的几率无疑是非常小的。
我认为最有可能的情况是,A击中了B,然后前进到Y点停止,即使Y与X相距非常微小,这时候A与B的距离也是大于A的Range的,也就是说,会出现切换普通攻击打不中的情况。
[ 此贴被kamiyeye在2005-01-26 16:12重新编辑 ]
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joe0517 认为: |
2005-01-26 21:12 |
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那双手武器捏?能到5吗?
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 22:06 |
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事实上,kamiyeye的测试的确反映了WW距离符合WEAPON RANGE。 让WW》=3去死吧。 实际上目前用PB的好处不在RANGE问题上。 而是GREIF IAS的不确定性和维修费用。 在实战中利用RANGE优势对付如SMITEDIN或WINDRU时,自然会选择高RANGE或为高打击频率。 BVB里,我认为RANGE不重要(别用1就行哈哈)。
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-26 22:07 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用枫月于2005-01-26 13:51:53发表的 : 完全符合现有资料对武器RANGE的描述。 也就是说。攻击距离为武器的实际RANGE。
那cb应该是4
你看的是哪份资料,提到CB的RANGE是4??
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-27 00:18 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用深山老农于2005-01-26 22:06:14发表的 : 事实上,kamiyeye的测试的确反映了WW距离符合WEAPON RANGE。 让WW》=3去死吧。 实际上目前用PB的好处不在RANGE问题上。 而是GREIF IAS的不确定性和维修费用。 在实战中利用RANGE优势对付如SMITEDIN或WINDRU时,自然会选择高RANGE或为高打击频率。 BVB里,我认为RANGE不重要(别用1就行哈哈)。
我倒觉得很重要,无论是在正面交锋还是追击的时候,范围大的就有机会先击中对手,作用的直径也大。 接下来我打算测一下武器fortitude对base dam的放大效果,如果在可以接受的范围内那就用zwe做grief,咔咔
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深山老农 认为: |
2005-01-27 01:21 |
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恩,你说的对。我忽略了这点。 可能是平常的感觉让我麻痹了。 因为目前大家AR和DEF相当的情况下,经常1,2个回合谁都没擦着谁,更多的打击是来于WW的同向胶着里。 我这算是狡辩一下哈,站不住脚的。NOD你的观点。 ZWE 单手19 to 35 ,相比PB的31 to 35 在对比BA 的24 to 71 GREIF的DAM作用相对与BARB来说就是相当与TOTALBASEDAM=(BASEDAM+EDAM),所以伤害稳定,同时又高。按满分400算,加上去之后差距还是不小的。 所以我认为ZWE仅解决了IAS可能不足的方案,还是有BASEDAM先天不足的劣势。 目前用PB的一般来说除了解决IAS不够,另外本身-30的BASESPEED在别的CHAR上也回有很好的通用易用性,最后,恐怕就是闲维修麻烦。 TH还是会选择BA的。
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恨水成冰 认为: |
2005-01-27 17:34 |
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自己身体的range有没算? bar贴墙的时候也有自己身体的range 应该是手臂长度吧
不过楼主敢于测试 而且找到一个很好的模型 非常好 支持一个
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kamiyeye 认为: |
2005-01-28 21:05 |
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那个就不管了,哈哈
用斧头当然BA了 用剑嘛,咔咔,PB比Zwe高出的12min按全身300+40+40+60=440ed算,增加的伤害大约为120,除去PVP惩罚和物免,最终有效伤害为10min。10min和1range之间,我是选择1range啦,修理只是小问题
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likecarman 认为: |
2005-01-28 23:45 |
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唉......修理这个问题还是比较烦心的,一个pk pvp char 天天都在pk room duel room pvp room 里面混,哪里来这么多的$$修东西呀,fortitude就已经很贵的了............ 用bot char 来倒$$也可以,还是麻烦....... 少点range就少点range, 为了帅...............................
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wuchengyuan 认为: |
2005-01-29 02:54 |
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终于看完.受益匪浅.谢谢了
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longdragon 认为: |
2005-03-01 16:15 |
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看了楼主的帖子 ba还是单手bar做grief的好材料
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rapble 认为: |
2005-03-01 20:44 |
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不喜欢bar,但是还是要学习
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louis-j 认为: |
2005-03-02 00:56 |
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怒赞~`````````Asn没有3?~````e~`我也去test下 ·——·!~`````````````
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xintv 认为: |
2005-03-02 00:59 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用rapble于2005-03-01 20:44发表的: 不喜欢bar,但是还是要学习
拉出去,砍了
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louis-j 认为: |
2005-03-02 03:02 |
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QUOTE: 下面是引用kamiyeye于2005-01-24 23:54发表的【原创】拨乱反正,BARB WW实际RANGE测试(增加双手类测试结果): 09光刀(range=2)和3bo剑(range=1,war sword)
这里是不是写错了?PB和War Sword的rangeadder都是1,就是说它们的PvP range都是2。
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